Finland’s President Alexander Stubb on Trump's NATO strategy, Iran and Putin

Dasha Burns sits down with Finnish President Alexander Stubb in Helsinki for a wide-ranging conversation on NATO, Russia's war in Ukraine, Iran and the future of America's relationships with allies around the world.

Stubb, who has developed an unusually close personal relationship with Donald Trump, discusses how he approaches the president behind closed doors, why he believes Ukraine has the upper hand in the war against Russia and how he remains confident in NATO's future.

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Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:46 Trump behind closed doors
6:55 Trump's worldview unpacked
8:56 Europe's wake-up call
13:49 U.S.–Iran deal
20:15 Trump's formula for peace
24:10 Putin's failures
27:07 NATO's new look

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